(Names intentionally withheld for a reason.)
As I'm sure you know, if you read SES at all, I have the schematic for the Mekgineer's Chopper now.
At this point, I wish I had not wasted the 320 gold.
To be fair, I expected the harassment from the server's general population. I expected the nasty responses when I informed people that unless they were a 450 or higher Engineer, I would not be making the mount for them. I expected the absolutely pathetic 200 gold "tips" that I'd be offered to sell out my profession's one single benefit. I expected all of that... from my server's general community.
What I did not expect it from was my guildmates.
That's not fair - I expected at least one person to badger me about it harmlessly. Ever since the mount was found on beta, and even moreso once it was found that anyone could use it, he begged every Engineer in-guild that he could to craft it for him. Politely, I explained why I would not and told him that was the end of it. For the most part, he has complied - a level of maturity that I am very happy to see from him, as it's uncharacteristic.
There is another guild member, however, who has launched a campaign of harassment that I would've never seen coming. The day that I got my recipe, I was greeted by a request from him to forge it. Apparently, he had the 12.5k ready to go and would buy the other mats if I agreed. I turned him down, and explained my position. I assumed that he would be mature and friendly enough to understand my position, as this would be characteristic.
This, however, was not the case. Since then, I have had to suffer insults, both public and private, in addition to being compared to other guild Engineers who are apparently quite happily willing to sacrifice their profession for anyone with a little coin. I'm having any little thing that this person's done for me in the past dragged up and thrown in my face - "oh well I did X and Y and Z for you, but you won't even do something nice for me?" while completely disregarding the scale of the compared events. Giving me a few Fel Mana potions back when we were raiding TK is nowhere near the same gravity as me essentially handing you the only reason to be a 450 Engineer without being a 450 Engineer.
Is there some deep-seated inhumanity to my logic? I would be slightly more sympathetic if the person in question had a poor profession (i.e. Tailoring or Engineering, the two most worthless professions in Wrath), but they don't. They're awash in cash, and from their attitude, are completely unfamiliar with the concept of being told no. It doesn't help that this person and one of our other guild Engineers seem to love constantly remind me just how many "good things" Engineering has - their points almost always seem to be the goggles (replaced by my T7 helm), the gun (replaced by any of 5 different ranged weapons in either 10- or 25-man Naxxramas), repair bots (which are now functionally useless, given the proximity of a repair NPC to Naxxramas, Obsidian Sanctum, and the Eye of Eternity as well as their lack of level 80 reagents), and the MOLL-E portable mailbox (with its absolutely idiotic 1-day cooldown). The absolute lack of sympathy with my plight, combined with their absolute lack of contribution towards my climb to 450, their abrasive behavior, and the frequency with which they attempt to use my decision as a catalyst for inter-guild drama...
They honestly wonder why I am refusing? Heh.
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Economically, the only person hurting here is you, so people giving you crap make no sense. You *not* making something could only be considered asshole-like if you *hadn't* told everyone before hand that you wouldn't make it, so it's not like you are denying them unreasonably. You made your statement and are sticking to it.
People need to grow up.
What is the issue with you making them for other people? Why not? Sorry, but if its because you are throwing a hissy fit that non-engineers can use the bike, then I have to agree that its childish and asshole-like. That's like me saying you didn't choose jewelcrafting so I'm not going to cut gems for you, or you didn't choose leatherworking so I'm not making epic leg enchants or anything else for you. Its selfish and childish imo.
So I should be expected to give the only thing that makes Engineering worth having to people who are unwilling to make that sacrifice? Why?
but the fact is that there is other engineers in his guild that are willing to make it for them. so he may be childish in refusing to make it, but thats his own choice.
they are choosing to throw a hissy fit about him not making it for them now, even though they can wait a few days to get it from engineers that would be able to make it for them. plainly put, they are being impatient assholes.
just make sure that you dont burn any bridges with them. if it eventually gets bad enough, just say that you are refusing to make it for anyone until you have it for yourself (though unless they are way to childish, it shouldnt get that far).
-admon
I don't see the sacrifice. We do things for guild mates. That's just how it works. Guild mates cut gems for guildies. They make armor. They do enchants. They disenchant. They make potions, elixirs and flasks. All for free. Its part of being in a guild. If someone is providing the materials for you to make a chopper, what's the big deal in making it? All you are doing is being a childish elitist by refusing. All those people with other skills don't refuse to do things for you simply because you didn't choose the profession yourself, do they? Its give and take, but if you are expecting them to do things for you using their skills but refuse to do the same for them, all you are doing is taking. I don't blame them for being upset at your selfishness, tbh.
Except for the fact that:
A) The motorcycle is, basically, a vanity item
B) The motorcycle represents Engineering's one and only actual benefit, not unlike Leatherworking's fur lining, Jewelcrafting's Dragon's Eyes, Enchanting's ring enchants, and the like
C) Expecting me to essentially give away my profession's only perk would be like whining that a Leatherworker can't put fur linings on my bracers.
id have to agree with the first point, its a vanity item.
it isnt going to be used in raids. every other profession makes things that improve the character.
leatherworking - leg enchants, random boe items
jewlcrafting - gems
tailoring - leg enchants, random boe items
inscription - scrolls
blacksmithing - sharpening stones, belt buckles, random boe items
alchemy - elixirs and pots
engineering - scopes, random boe items
those are the items that affect raiding, and if a guild member asks for it (and has mats), it should be provided with no arguments in order to improve your guild.
the chopper does nothing other than say, hey im willing to spend alot of money. it doesnt make it so the guild doesnt wipe in nax,it only allows the person to ride a bike instead of an animal.
since it in no way affects the performance of that player, ril can refuse to make it for him if he wants to.
-admon
the chopper does nothing other than say, hey im willing to spend alot of money
When it should actually say "hey, I worked my ass off to hit 450 Engineering and Exalted with Alliance Vanguard/Horde whateverthefuck".
I disagree that the bike is the ultimate reason for Engineering - it might be if the item were, in fact, BoP, but it isn't. I see the bike as a money maker, one of the ONLY money makers we have in Engineering.
My reason for leveling Engineering was simple - I like the idea. I like little gadgets. The pocket knife is a trip for me, and a hunter having it can actually be useful once in a while. I also really like my REAL vanity item, my epic Engineering flying mount (more useful, and way cool) and my ability to craft uncommon arrows/bullets until we get access to epics. For me, engineering is mostly for fun, and now it's a little bit of profit, as well, for those who are willing to spend any amount of gold for something infrequently used.
the logic of it being engi's "one benefit" is faulty at best.
nor does it showcase any sort of hardcore "commitment" (whatever that means as far as WoW's prof system entails). I maxed out engi in about 3 days, and got exalted by farming badges for a week. Nothing spectacular.
not to mention people dont choose profession b/c of exclusivity of the perks, but b/c of the perks themselves. If i wanted ap bonuses to my wrists, i would have gone lw. If you wanted exclusivity, you should have gone with a different prof, that simple. Trying to "force" the issue on your part is a)immature b)textbook denial and c) incredibly silly.
I personally see nothing wrong with earning a little cash back after dropping coin on the recipe and a little effort in getting to exalted with that faction.
But then, I'm extraordinarily poor. I'll definitely get the recipe and try to craft one for myself and any non-engineers who politely offer a fair deal.
But in this case, you've explicitly stated your reasoning for not crafting it for non-engineers. That should be the end of it. It's a matter of personal preference, and there's no excuse for them continuing to badger you, especially if there are other engineers who can make it for them.
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