Tuesday, December 30, 2008

The Internether's got me thinking...

Since I'm listed on their global bloglist, and I'm a pretty regular listener to the podcast, I have a small soft spot in my heart for the folks over at Twisted Nether. It's a fun podcast to listen to, and usually gives me laughs while I'm going grocery shopping or what have you.

Well, I was listening to Episode 27 of the podcast, and I got to thinking. Queklain, the guest, as well as both of the main members, seem to have Hunters... but every single one of them are/were BM.

Are we (and by we, I mean Marksmanship Hunters) that uncommon in the blogosphere and the game population in general? Like, the only one I know of other than myself is Nassira, and I bet the traffic that DoaMH and SES get combined is a tiny fraction of what people like Pike or BRK get.

Are we just that weird? Is speccing MM that much of a faux paus in today's environment?

And if we are that weird, then our opinion and positions need to be addressed more in "overall" blog collections. :P

Edit: I swear to god, I didn't mean to neglect anyone in this post, stop the death threats. /cry

My apologies to Loronar and Neggles at the least.

19 comments:

admon said...

yep, mm hunters are weird... just like bm hunters were weird right after the start of bc.

mm will probably remain a constant minority to bm as long as the dps is comparable, and bm has such an easy shot rotation. though most of the mm people i see playing are the ones who try to pvp more than they pve (mm does have the bad rep of being the pvp spec)

and at least, even though you are a minority, you have more people playing mm than sv.

-admon

maz said...

Hmff. Yeah. That's why I excitedly subscribed to your blog when I realised it was an MM blog. I do wish there was more "big name" MM representation out there...

I was sad when I read a post by the author of WoWInsider's "Scattered Shots" column where he said that in spite the name, he was actually BM (here). It's a pretty innocent comment, and it's not that I expected him to be MM, but, interpreting it rather negatively I know, it felt to me like a bit of a "no! not me!" disassociation.

To continue the rant, it makes me sad and a bit irked when I read comments by "big name" BMers that are along the lines of "MM - ew!", because I feel like MM is unreasonably maligned enough as it is... and I'm not sure why.

I feel sorry for SV, it was awesome fun pre-WOTLK. It seems to have a slight "cool alternative redheaded stepchild" feel, at least, rather than just ... a stepchild.

maz said...

People spec BM because it is the easiest, both to play and understand and achieve high DPS. If either MM or SV were as easy, people would spec that way.

I think it is also definitely by far the easiest spec for levelling, purely because of the pet-tank, hunter-dps mechanic. If you're full MM or SV, you pull aggro way too easily for it to be convenient. If Blizzard tweaked hunter pets so they could tank for a soloing full MM or SV hunter, I think there would be more people who would try those trees while levelling, and therefore not get "stuck" in BM.

Not saying that all people who level BM are "stuck", or that people who level in the other trees won't or don't love BM, but there are quite a few people I know who have never tried the other trees simply because they can't be bothered learning a new play style, or "if it's not broke, why fix it (try something else)?", or similar reasons.

Kordwar said...

I went BM today. it felt....wrong.

wtf is with your word verifacation? i just had to type "Batcolon"

Pike said...

Honestly I think that a lot of hunter bloggers were influenced to start blogging because of BRK. His readership is, naturally, largely a BM one. Had BRK been MM, you'd see a lot more MM hunter bloggers.

Lassirra of the Hunter's Mark rather enjoys the MM spec although I think she considers herself to be more of a Surv fan overall. She has said on several occasions, though, that she does not enjoy the BM spec (though she respects those that enjoy it), and as far as I am aware she is basically the second most read hunter blogger on the internet (second only to BRK =P)

Neggles said...

Fine, I hate you too.

I'm never talking to you again, k? Kay.

stupidm said...

The Hunter's Mark,
SES
35 Yards Out
Diaries of a Marksman Hunter
One Among Many
Less QQ More PewPew

I don't they are BM...

I can't convince my guild Hunters to even try BM (I am the only one). They won't leave MM even if I paid them. My friends guild is the same - all MM Hunters.

Kordwar said...

i thought drotara from less qq more pew pew was survival most of the time

Rilgon Arcsinh said...

i thought drotara from less qq more pew pew was survival most of the time

He's whatever's better at the time - i.e. a fly-by-night douchenozzle.

Rilgon Arcsinh said...

Also, half of the ones named I either haven't discovered, didn't know were written from a Hunter perspective, or slipped my mind at the time (or are run by fly-by-night douchenozzles).

Kordwar said...

ah, makes sense.

Nassira said...

I've got some BM guy named "whatever" tellin' me I'm cute but stupid. What's up with that? Like he has a chance in hell with me as BM.....

We are rare? WHA?! lol Sarcasm aside, we're rare because people are assholes. And because they have nothing better in their lives to try and perfect than an MMORPG. If they can't claim they're the best of the best doing the most damage of anyone every time, they lose all purpose in their lives. I am, of course, only speaking of those BM hunters who are Spec-of-the-Week because it's "better". I always wonder about their guilds and how helpful they really are in raids, or if they just stand and PewPew like it's their religion...simply so they can boast of massive numbers later.

I don't know about the rest of them, but I play this game for fun - because I have a real life to do well in and succeed in. What's fun? Marksmanship is fun, and you can squeeze great shit out of it if you know how. And it's....fun! *GASP*

Then of course, they'll say "I have fun topping all the DPS charts" to which I respond, "So do I..." What's the difference? There is none, I suppose, except the arrogance the current BM-douchenozzle is sporting with every breath they take.

Keep on keepin' on. I love going back and forth with you, Rilg, and I think it's helped both of us improve. I hope you think I'm cute, too.... >.> But not in that "cute but stupid" derrogatory sense.

Fim said...

All I can say is... You're behind on the listening.. :P lol! Anyway.. I am BM mainly because I enjoy having the extra mechanics that BM gives me with my pet. I was MM for a while after 3.0 came out, but as another commenter stated it can be difficult to level MM since you can easily pull aggro from your pet (even a good tanking pet), which I was. If you read my blog, you'll see I tried leveling MM but had a very tough time of it (not from killing things, as much from the aforementioned pulling of the mob).

I haven't switched back at this point because I am still soloing some content. I want to try a respec staying in BM (moving more of my soloing talents to raid/instance spec ones) and with the nerfs to pet damage I might switch back over to MM to make up for the changes. I loved the new mechanics in 3.0 (Chimera) for MM and had a great time with the shot rotation. When dual-spec are introduced I will be BM/MM and swap back and forth depending on soloing/raiding/instancing possibly.. :)

Glad you enjoy the podcast BTW.

slowwolf said...

I think that will change after this coming patch.

Also, you guys aren't weird! I just play BM because I love my pets becoming deadly!

I tried marksman, and it's a lot of fun! Same goes with survival actually... everyone needs to try all 3 trees out and have an open mind about it.

Thomas said...

Most hunters are still not yet level 80. Until then if you are trying to level as either MM or SV you are tying one arm behind your back. Keeping the mob(s) on your pet and your pet alive makes for much faster leveling.

But even given that, most hunter bloggers are BM, but that's because since WotLK, not spec has been better for damage. Ever since the pre-BC MM days, BM has been the raid/group spec and will be until you prove them differently. ;-)

admon said...

wait, i didnt play pre-bc so correct me if im wrong, but wasnt mm or sv the raiding spec then, and bm was kinda the redheaded stepchild of hunter specs?

-admon

admon said...

wait, read it wrong, my apologies

-admon

Rilgon Arcsinh said...

@Fim: Yeah, I usually only listen to podcasts when I'm out on my bike, so I just listened to it on the 30th. I'll try to listen to Episode 28 at work today, though. :3

Arjun said...

it may be weird for some but for most serious progression guilds its accepted as a legitimate spec. It preferable to a shaman's buff b/c of its effect during phases of boss fights where shamans may not be dps'ing the target or melee maybe removed from the fight altogether (ei, saph or during sarth+ if melee get unlucky with chain void zones).

however, just because someone is willing to spec w/e combo happens to do the most damage doest classify them as inferior, as nessira suggested. Hunters are brought to raids for one reason, damage. Given that the TSA buff is taken by another hunter, why wouldn't every other hunter spec for maximum dps? Likewise, if he/she has "fun" doing as much damage as they can, how is that any less of a valid reasoning behind your source of "fun?" (spec'ing mm)